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Public safety or revenue source, they can't have it both ways.
If they want to use high velocity drivers as a revenue source, then great, stop calling it a fine, and don't count it as proof you are high risk driver. Issue "speed permits", if they have the technology to use photo radar, then the permit would be in the form of a transponder, when the radar picks up a speed requiring a permit, then a fee is charged. Getting the permit will require skills test, training etc.. Safety benefit, better trained and skilled drivers.Photo radar is a poor choice for road safety. There is no human contact to gauge the condition of the driver. Is he drunk, high, sleepy, plain reckless? This type of person is allowed to continue driving on the road after the radar takes the pic. Or looked at from a behaviorial change point, an immediate feedback given to an undesired action is far more effective in change.
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welcome to the forum, mdaley1008.
nobody rides half as well as they know how.
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| In Minneapolis photo radar has been used to detect stop sign runners up until recently. The courts decided that they violate due process and has ordered the city to remove them. Whether those already fined will be able to recoup the fine is still undecided, but class action lawsuits have been filed. In St. Paul, a few years ago radar speeding cameras were tried with an Arizona company supplying the cameras. The citations were sent to the registered owner and they were told to send the fines to the AZ company. The city of St. Paul would then reap some of the fine, maybe half. Most people here told the AZ company to literally stuff it and when virtually no money came in the units were removed -- all within about 6 months. Apparently, after checking our laws the company realized they had NO legal jurisdiction and NO way to force collection. Sure hope people in AZ don't accept this tactic like sheep. Fought, it can probably be won based on lack of due process as most states recognize the concept in law. Just my two bits worth, Ray Nielsen, in Minneapolis and sitting out winter right now.
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Unfortunately, the laws that protect us mean nothing anymore when there is money to be made.
Now, let me get this right - is it one down, four up?
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| AZ had this last year when I was there...."speed" cameras down by Mesa...on a big road that came off Route 60. They did get some pretty dramatic drivers tho....110 mph....stuff like that...and one or two sports "celebrities" running these speeds. Objections...and complimenters....both sides. I personally side with the objectors...I think a COP should be there to do the deed. But then, I'm old fashioned...y'think? IS it legal? (due process)...hopefully not. Another problem is...these roads. 3, 4 lanes....baby-a** smooth roadway and no curves to speak of. 2AM & no cops. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Welcome to the forum mdaly1008. I have mixed feeling about these devices. If the speed limit is too low then adjust it higher so traffic moves smoother. If the speed limit is correct for safe driving conditions then people should be driving that speed.
I am sure at whatever speed you set someone will be able to safely drive faster than that. However I see no enforceable way to allow more capable drivers of driving faster. Or even a way to correctly categorize drivers ability's.
In recent years our conservative courts have sided with whatever the police do. In light if the "War On" mentality we have come to accept a very conservative and authoritarian police state. Where the 4th amendment is all but null and void. I don't blame this on the police. Much like Cartman they have to have that "respect my authoritah" attitude to do what they do. I blame the courts 100%. It is their job to balance the police ability to do their jobs with the rights provided by our Constitution. I give them a F since about the mid 80s.
Torqueman
Battle Creek, MI
V-Strom 06
Goldwing 03
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