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Originally posted by hoopdc

I'll tell you why. Because loud pipes are thought to be among other things, a juvenile approach to getting attention AND, and this is BIG, those pipes AFFECT OTHERS in a negative way.
And P-L-E-E-Z-E don't play defense lawyer ( ala johnnie Cochran , Shapiro, the dearly departed Kunstler, etc. ) and use the very laws that are designed to protect and serve us ( all of us ) by twisting them and twisting them some more to make a point that only serves as a disservice to the majority. Never mind common courtesy.
YES, their 'rights' are as important as mine BUT, and this is also BIG, NOT when their 'rights' AFFECT OTHERS. Is this sinking in yet ??
And please don't use these crazy anologies to make it seem like you are more intelligent, more tolerant, more civilized, etc.
I don't care if a smoker wants to smoke himself to death. I really don't. That's their 'right'. But they cannot and should not have the 'right' to smoke indoors because............. it AFFECTS OTHERS. Sinking in yet ?? How do you like my analogy ?

Loud pipes in public ?? No. Because it AFFECTS OTHERS. ( hope you're getting this )
Turn your stereo ALL THE WAY UP in your home ?? Great !! In PUBLIC ? Of course not !! Know why ?? Because it AFFECTS OTHERS. Are you getting this yet ??
And just to be clear, I am not talking about pipes that make a nice rumble. We're talking these ridiculous pipes that pi** people off. No, I don't know EXACTLY where to draw the line, but you know what we're talking about in this thread.

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Originally posted by OzarkHarleyGuy

I'm concerned about freedom and where we draw the line. I doubt too many of these freedoms will be lost in my lifetime at my age. But I doubt the writers of our Bill of Rights realized we'd be fighting for our right to keep and bear arms and the way state's try to pass laws to evade this right.

You accuse me of playing defense lawyer but lawyers are actively involved in eroding our rights. If you had any idea the legal lobby going on by insurance companies, I dare say you might temper some of your statements. So if you want to talk about "twisting" laws talk to those guys and don't bother with your accusations to your "friends." Your one statement, "Never mind common courtesy," pretty much speaks for itself, I won't dignify that with a response, I have too much courtesy.

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a no smoking area in a restaurant is like a no p e e i n g area in a pool.
Torqueman
Goldwing 03

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