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| I have to agree with Pad because I do not think any product, service, etc can be reviewed without some sort of "biased opinion". People like what they like for various reasons. A product, airline, hotel, store, etc might have features that I like making it a great thing, while those features might not be part of someone else's ideas of what makes a product/service good. It's all about what fits someone's needs at that particular time the item or service is conveyed. My scooter is just what I wanted and if I like something, I will buy it or use it irregardless of the reviews, but I guess I just like to read what others thought. Perhaps my scooter wasn't what the reviewer(s) had in mind, but it works for me and has been very reliable. The same thing has applied to hotels, contractors, cars, etc. I admit I tend to research goods or services we might use to the extreme, but that is just the way I am. Have I taken other's opnions into consideration? Sure, I think we all do, but I have never read reviews about any product or service where every reviewer agreed 100 % in the positive or negative. Most people already like or dislike brand names because of one or a number of positive/negative expierience(s) and no matter what anyone says, you aren't going to change their mind until their own expierience changes it for them. Even then, if someone has a "lemon" expierience, other factors such as customer service come into play. IMO, CR is a vey overpriced publication that to many people take as gospel. We recently upgraded our washer/dryer and I read a lot of reviews. It was a huge mixed bag, but what we purchased had all the features we wanted and needed. A good friend of mine has two bikes in his stable, a BMW ST and a Honda ST. In his opinions, both bikes are great bikes, but each has features that perform differently under the same conditions or type of riding he does. Tomato, Tamato, Potato, Patoto
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Welcome to the forum PadmanK. I agree with what folks have said about no review being without some prejudice. However most times reviews do reveal some information that will allow me to exclude one model or another. Some indisputable bit of information that I know I will not be able to live with.
One thing I think motorcycles suffer less of than most products today is planned obsolescence so the industry has gotten real good at promoting perceived obsolescence. These days longevity and energy star ratings are numeral uno in my buying decision making process. I am sick and tired of buying junk I can't use a year from now.
So long term reviews would work for me. Not just motorcycles either. I want to know if the $50 pair of gloves will last more than a season or two.
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My problem with CR has been their bias. According to CR the Mustang is not a good car but if must have one select the 6 cylinder model due to improved MPG. There is a logic to it but when I was buying Mustangs 6 cylinders were not what I was after. As new riders emerge and have read CR for other purchases I can't but wonder if it will influence our sport
The introduction of Chinese goods makes you wonder as they are cheaper and a natural draw for new riders. What will the new riders want and will CR influence them thereby changing what we, the old school riders, take for granted today? We saw it as the Brits left and the Japanese took over during the last great wave of new riders.
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Phil I hear you about new riders getting good information. I hope it does not sound like sour grapes or something but I wonder how much influence CR still has. I joined their web site a year ago and found that it seemed like every item I was looking for was recommending models that were not even available anymore. In our consumer society where obsolescence is the name of the game, models change so often that they don't even do longevity reports anymore because by the time the report comes out the product is no longer available. One thing I was looking for was a table saw. A review less than two years old and the top model was no longer available. I did not renew because it just was not very useful to me.
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| I am sort of looking forward to reading CR reports on bikes. Think of all the silly stuff that is likely to appear in print? Bike shops could have a "wall of idiocy and humor" papered with CR reports. They could be highlighted and bikers could attach alternate views to the review. In the same vein, the local paper's tranportation section prints all kinds of silliness about bikes, bicycles, and how to share the road. I have yet to see Hough or any other street riding guru quoted in the paper. Usually, its the local bike shop owner that gets the reporter's phone call and has to try and answer questions for which the owner may be ill prepared. Somehow, I am not very concerned about CR treading in these waters. It will be fun to see the Harley crowd go nuts on whatever CR prints about harleys. The Beemer crowd language will be even more fun.
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| Motojavaphil - I have been seriously considering trading my H-D for a K1200S. What are your impressions on the BMW K-models? I'm particularly concerned about the final-drive issues I have been hearing so much about. How many miles have you logged on your 'R? Thanks!
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Hey Nighttrain,
Thinking about leaving the faithful to the darkside ? If you do, welcome aboard one of the best motorcycles in the world (BMW). Here is a review of the "S" model by some folks who are out of state: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/PageTemplates/Bike/Review.aspx?id=132&R=EPI-132&start-page=10&
I'd also recommend going to BMWMOA's website where you can chat with some K owners.
Rear drive failures were supposedly dealt with by BMW for the 2007 model year. That said I think you will be able to find failures. My previous BMW was a 1998 K1200RS. It began misting in one of the rear seals so I took it in for replacement. They put the shaft in upside down on a bike with only 25000 miles which led to an exciting ride home from the dealership. No wear items were noted during that teardown which was good up to that point.
My K12R Model has hardly been ridden having only 1500 miles on it. It is hard for me to comment on the 07's and newer. My 06 had the same upgrades (An HP2) as the 07's got and I had no
problems.
Spline lubing is done by K owners routinely despite factory assurances you need not do that. Never personally had a spline lube , it just sounds perverted. The K12R was voted Bike of The Year by another publication which said a lot for the design and engineering. The S, as you surely know, comes form the same family. It did not get the writeup in 07/8 the R got in 2005, by the same rag but it was very good nonetheless.
Explore the MOA website and see what you pull up on it. Personally I have not seen anything other than MOA discussions of it.
I personally chose the R over the S for some reason akin to having wind in the face and hiding the dirty secret you can buy a sexy removable windscreen from Pirates Lair. Small items like ABS, (have heard of the servo failing), heated handgrips and other joyous features are present including the fabled center stand.
I have a stupid grin on my face everytime I ride it. Talk to your local dealer service type, they will tell you. My bike weights 522 wet pounds versus Hyabusa's 550lbs+.
If the Rear Drive did go out BMW would quietly fix it if it is a design problem.
I can only say I bought one and am very happy with it. I ride with two guys that have MV Agusta's and am not embarrassed in any way. Hope this helps.
Phil
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