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Posted 10/6/2008 7:16:48 PM


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Trauscher brought up having a Mustang Pony years ago. So I went and looked them up. Here's the link to copy and paste. http://mmcoa.org/history.html It's very interesting. Be sure to click on the old adds link.
I used to know the fellow that invented the Rokon. That was a cool bike too. I've seen a couple at vintage shows in the last year.
Little bikes like these were probably way ahead of their time. Sort of the scooters of today. I remember the Cushman and the Hummer and the Harley Rapido.
Does any one else have some cool links or memories of little motorcycles from the past?

my shifter is on the RIGHT side....

1970 Sportster (Bronson Replica)....shift on the right, 1 down 3 up
1972 Harley Sprint 350....shift on right, 1 up 3 down
1999 1500 Vulcan Nomad.....Shift on left, 1 down 4 up
1980 KZ-250......Shift on the ....Oh Who cares?

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Takin' a Trip?...Yeah....Where too?...Oh, I dunno, wherever I end up I guess......Pal I wish I was you.......Really? .....Yeah.......Well, Hang in there.
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Posted 10/7/2008 1:25:32 PM


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Sears-Roebuck sold a couple of motorcycles and a scooter years ago. I think the bikes were made in England, not sure where the scooter came from. They were pretty popular for those looking for basic transportation.

A friend of mine worked summers during college at the Jersey shore. He had an old Sears Allstate scooter that he kept there all year so he would have some transportation during the summer. He never winterized it, didn't drain the gas tank, etc. - just shut it down in September and started it up the following June. No problems.




Now, let me get this right - is it one down, four up?
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Posted 10/7/2008 6:10:50 PM


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I had an Allstate (Sears) moped too. It was made by Puch. Sears had a lot of folks making bikes for them. Benelli made an interesting one for Sears. It was a two cylinder with a common combustion chamber, and one spark plug. Two exhaust pipes though. One of the strangest engines I've ever seen. I think it was a 200cc. I think it was a 2 stroke with a separate oil tank and injection. My cousin had it. It was a full size bike.

my shifter is on the RIGHT side....

1970 Sportster (Bronson Replica)....shift on the right, 1 down 3 up
1972 Harley Sprint 350....shift on right, 1 up 3 down
1999 1500 Vulcan Nomad.....Shift on left, 1 down 4 up
1980 KZ-250......Shift on the ....Oh Who cares?

Iron Head

Takin' a Trip?...Yeah....Where too?...Oh, I dunno, wherever I end up I guess......Pal I wish I was you.......Really? .....Yeah.......Well, Hang in there.
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Posted 10/12/2008 7:03:17 PM


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Around 1958 - 1960, Sears sold a scooter branded as an Allstate Super Cruisaire, one of which I had. It was a Piaggio Vespa 125, slightly modified. They also sold a couple of Cushman scooters rebranded as Allstates. I remember (and rode) the Puch mopeds, sold about the same time. I thought their 250 motorcycle was the infamous Twingle, and I thought it was also a Puch. It had two cylinders and one combustion chamber. I believe the intake ports were in one cylinder, and the exhaust ports in the other. The combustion chamber "bridged" the two cylinders. The idea was better scavenging. One of my uncles had one, but it was not running when I saw it and as far as I know he never got it fixed.

I remember seeing Harley Hummers around that same time, and that was also the time of the Harley Topper, an automatic scooter about which I know very little. The "in" machines were the Cushman Eagles, and just a few Mustang motorcycles were around. Every so often at some sort of antique show I see an Eagle, and usually find I know as much - or more - about it as its owner. Other scooters I remember were Lambrettas, and the Zundapp Bella, but I know little about either of them. Lambrettas were the favorite ride of the Mods in England.

Predictions are very difficult, especially about the future.

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Posted 10/12/2008 8:46:14 PM


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Charon, You are correct. I never knew they were called Twingles. I did a search and instantly recognized the picture. That was the bike my cousin had. here's a link http://physiology.usouthal.edu/restore/allstate.htm
My buddy Melvin had an Allstatate scooter by Puch. We used to coast it backwards and pop the clutch to start it up backwards.( the two stroke motor would run in the reverse direction) and we would try to ride it that way....it's darn near impossible but it was good for laughs.

my shifter is on the RIGHT side....

1970 Sportster (Bronson Replica)....shift on the right, 1 down 3 up
1972 Harley Sprint 350....shift on right, 1 up 3 down
1999 1500 Vulcan Nomad.....Shift on left, 1 down 4 up
1980 KZ-250......Shift on the ....Oh Who cares?

Iron Head

Takin' a Trip?...Yeah....Where too?...Oh, I dunno, wherever I end up I guess......Pal I wish I was you.......Really? .....Yeah.......Well, Hang in there.
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Posted 10/14/2008 5:36:55 PM


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Ironhead97 - When I was in high school, I had the Super Cruisaire/Vespa. Several of my friends had Cushman Eagles, and one had the Sears (Puch) moped. The moped owner told me of the two-stroke engine running backwards. He said he had been a little slow getting the clutch released on a stop, and when he went to pull away it went backwards. I naturally had to try it on my Cruisaire, and it didn't work. Turned out the cam for the points was almost 180 degrees long, so turned backwards the points opened about BDC and all it did was backfire. Besides, the magnet for the magneto was in the wrong place.

The guys with the Eagles could outrun me on the flat. But I had a paper route on sand roads, and they didn't have a prayer of keeping up with me there. For one thing, I had learned a bit about driving in the sand, and for another they couldn't downshift the Eagles' two-speed crashbox while downshifting was easy on the Cruisaire/Vespa. Those Eagles taught me the art of double-clutching, and I could downshift an Eagle when its owner couldn't. (To be fair, my father told me how to do it, but I don't remember him demonstrating it.)

Predictions are very difficult, especially about the future.

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Posted 10/14/2008 6:28:26 PM
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ironhead97:

The mustangs were a cut above the cushmans.  The cushman had 10" wheels and the mustang had 12" wheels.  If you had the high compression head on the mustang, you had about 12 HP.  Couple that with either the 3 or 4 speed Burman trans, and it would blow a cushman into the weeds....

The block was cast iron, flat head design with aluminum head. The crank rode on timken tapered roller bearings and had an insert con rod.  There was a piston type of oil pump that pumped oil from the sump into a little trough below the crank where a dipper on the rod would sling the slippery stuff all around.  It had AC electrics--no battery--and a magneto for ignition, a mag for the brake light and another mag for the head/tail light.  Pretty dang simple.

Anybody remember the Pirelli?  It was a single cylinder--but I don't remember the displacement.  I got a ride on a Lambretta once--seemed spiffier than the Vespa...

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Ahhh yes, double clutching....fast becoming a lost art. I was showing a friend how to get an old Sportster into neutral while stopped, just last Sunday. Another lost art. I sure do love the Kawasaki patended automatic neutral finder. It spoils you.
E Z Go gas golf carts have 2 stroke engines that shut off whenever you stop. The way they reverse is to start the engine up backwards. They have a belt driven starter/generator combo. You flip the switch that reverses the current to the starter, and when you step on the gas peddle the engine starts in reverse or forward depending on the position of the switch. Once the engine starts the starter becomes a generator and charges the battery. They don't worry about the spark happening after top dead center when running backwards....Hopefully you won't be going that fast backwards!!!!
Back to small motorcycles, I saw a guy on a QA-50 today (could have been one of those import copies?)he was on the shoulder of a section of road that is six lanes wide with a median! Oh yeah and no helmet!

my shifter is on the RIGHT side....

1970 Sportster (Bronson Replica)....shift on the right, 1 down 3 up
1972 Harley Sprint 350....shift on right, 1 up 3 down
1999 1500 Vulcan Nomad.....Shift on left, 1 down 4 up
1980 KZ-250......Shift on the ....Oh Who cares?

Iron Head

Takin' a Trip?...Yeah....Where too?...Oh, I dunno, wherever I end up I guess......Pal I wish I was you.......Really? .....Yeah.......Well, Hang in there.
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Posted 10/16/2008 5:28:08 PM


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I hope this isn't seen as a thread hijack, but speaking of two-stroke engines that run backwards...

In early 1963 I was stationed at Keesler AFB, Biloxi, Mississippi. I test-drove a Messerschmitt automobile. It was possessed of three wheels (two in front), fore-and-aft seating, and a two-stroke engine with a progressive four-speed transmission. For Reverse, one shut off the engine, pushed the key in a bit further against a spring detent, and restarted the engine - backwards. Thus, it also had four gears in Reverse. There is an article in Wikipedia.org about this car, the KR200.

Though I have no experience with them, I was told that many Mercury outboards used the reversing engine technique. They were said to have no shifter at all. For Neutral, stop the engine. Start the engine in whichever direction you want to go. I understand they were difficult to maneuver in tight quarters, because they didn't start at idle but at some higher speed.

Some of the very small model airplane engines, such as the ThimbleDrome .020 and .049 engines would run backward. They were often started with the trusty finger-in-the-propeller method, and sometimes they would start backward if they happened to fire at the wrong time (glow plug ignition). It was wise to have a rag on hand to throw into the propeller to stop the engine should this occur. Didn't hurt the engine, but the airplane didn't fly very well.

Four-stroke Diesels will also run backward. Older Mercedes Diesel cars were fitted with some sort of valve in the intake manifold to stop the engine should it occur. It usually happened when someone inadvertently stalled the engine on an upgrade, then rolled backward. The engine inhales air through the exhaust pipe, and blows exhaust out through the air filter.

Predictions are very difficult, especially about the future.

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Posted 10/17/2008 11:25:39 AM
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Anyone remember the Servi-cycle?   In the late 40s early 50s I had a neighbor who had one.  I wanted one every time I saw it.  It was his only transportation,  used it for some kind of delivery. He was a gentleman in his 50s.  Did'nt see many bikes in SC in those days.  Look at the Servi-cycle here.

               www.servi-cycle.com

"Life's journey is not arriving at the gate safely in a well perserved body, but rather to skid-in-sideways, totally worn out, shouting...holy *...what a ride!"

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